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Lindsay* Surname DNA Project

Status Reports

March 16, 2010 - Major Revision to International Lindsay* Surname Haplotype Database - 11th Round of Testing Data is Posted

The International Lindsay Surname Haplotype Database, now composed of the combined 1st thru 11th Rounds of testing (205 participants) of the International Lindsay* Surname DNA Project, was published today to the Lindsay* International web site for peer review, analysis and comment by the global Lindsay (how ever spelt) community.

This March 16, 2010 update to the content of the International Lindsay* Surname Haplotype Database includes the following changes.

(1) the addition of twenty-three (23) new participants, L0183 thru L0205.

With this 11th  round of testing there were additions to the following DNA Groupings.
  • DNA Group  1         =    4

  • DNA Group  2         =    2

  • DNA Group  3         =    1

  • DNA Group  8         =    4

  • DNA Group 11        =    1

  • DNA Group 13        =    2

  • DNA Group 17        =    1

  • Unclassified Group    =    8

  •                     Total     =  23

  • (2) As of October 1, 2009, our laboratory, DNA Heritage, in compliance with National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) standards, changed their method of accounting for the allele value of Y-chromosome marker, Y-GATA-H4.1.   All the previous allele values, previously defined by the DNA Heritage laboratory, for marker Y-GATA-H4.1, was reduced by ten (-10).  The March 16, 2010 web site update for the International Lindsay Surname DNA Project incorporated this change.  Since it was applied equally to all 205 of the Lindsay DNA participants, there will be no change in previously defined DNA Group relationships.

    (3) The effort continues with the creation of the title, Group Administrator, for the DNA Groups 1 thru 17.  This approach is designed to help reduce the administrative burden on the originator and administrator of the International Lindsay* Surname DNA Project by off-loading some of the effort needed to support the maintenance and continued growth in participation.  At this time, Group Administrators have been designated for DNA Groups 2, 3, 5, 7, 8, 10, 12 and 14.  See details at the respective web page of each of these DNA Groups.

    Click on the Lindsay Surname Haplotype Database and use the DNA Group hyperlinks in the upper left corner of the Database web page to view the individual DNA Groups 1 thru 17.

    If you wish to join the International Lindsay* Surname DNA Project and establish your own haplotype and thus your DNA relationship with the other Lindsays/Lindseys/Lindesays/Linzeys/Linzees in this database, click here to  Sign up to be DNA tested !

    November 10, 2008 - Major Revision to International Lindsay Surname Haplotype Database - 10th Round of Testing Data is Posted

    The International Lindsay Surname Haplotype Database, now composed of the combined 1st thru 10th Rounds of testing (182 participants) of the International Lindsay* Surname DNA Project, was published today to the Lindsay International web site for peer review, analysis and comment by the global Lindsay (how ever spelled) community.

    This November 10, 2008 update to the content of the International Lindsay Surname Haplotype Database includes the following changes.

    (1) the addition of twenty-seven (27) new participants, L0157 thru L0182 (including L0155) and the creation of two new DNA Groups 16 & 17.

    With this 10th  round of testing there were additions to the following DNA Groupings.
    DNA Group 1   = 5
    DNA Group 2   = 3
    DNA Group 3   = 4
    DNA Group 7   = 1
    DNA Group 8   = 2
    DNA Group 10 = 2
    DNA Group 12 = 2
    DNA Group 15 = 1
    DNA Group 16 = 2
    DNA Group 17 = 2
    Unclassified     =  4

    (2) The effort continues with the creation of the title, Group Administrator, for the DNA Groups 1 thru 17.  This approach is designed to help reduce the administrative burden on the originator and administrator of the International Lindsay Surname DNA Project by off-loading some of the effort needed to support the maintenance and continued growth in participation.  At this time, Group Administrators have been designated for DNA Groups 1, 2, 3, 5, 7, 8, 10, 12 and 14.  See details at the respective web page of each of these DNA Groups.

    Click on the Lindsay Surname Haplotype Database and use the DNA Group hyperlinks in the upper left corner of the Database web page to view the individual DNA Groups 1 thru 17.

    If you wish to join the International Lindsay Surname DNA Project and establish your own haplotype and thus your DNA relationship with the other Lindsays/Lindseys in this database, click here to  Sign up to be DNA tested !

    October 4, 2007 - Major Revision to International Lindsay Surname Haplotype Database - 9th Round of Testing Data is Posted

    The International Lindsay Surname Haplotype Database, now composed of the combined 1st thru 9th Rounds of testing (155 participants) of the International Lindsay Surname DNA Project, was published today to the Lindsay International web site for peer review, analysis and comment by the global Lindsay (how ever spelled) community.

    This October 4, 2007 update to the content of the International Lindsay Surname Haplotype Database includes the following changes.

    (1) the addition of twenty-four (24) new participants, L0132 thru L0156 (less L0155) and the creation of two new DNA Groups 14 & 15.

    With this 9th round of testing there were additions to the following DNA Groupings.

    DNA Group 1   = 6
    DNA Group 2   = 3
    DNA Group 3   = 2
    DNA Group 7   = 2
    DNA Group 9   = 1
    DNA Group 10 = 1
    DNA Group 11 = 1
    DNA Group 14 = 2
    DNA Group 15 = 1
    Unclassified     =  5

    (2) The creation of the title Group Administrator for the DNA Groups 1 thru 15.  This approach is designed to help reduce the administrative burden on the originator of the International Lindsay Surname DNA Project by off-loading some of the effort needed to support the maintenance and continued growth in participation.  At this time, Group Administrators have been designated for DNA Groups 1, 2, 7 and 12.  See details at the web page of each of these DNA Groups.

    (3) With this update, the allele values of six (6) markers have been recalibrated by Relative Genetics (effective August 23, 2007) and are reflected throughout the haplotype database.  The six markers involved are DYS441 = +1, DYS442 = +5, DYS452 = +19, DYS463 = +2, GATA A10 = +2 and GATA H4 = +10 also with a name change to GATA H4.1 .  Relative Genetics chose to make these changes in order to synchronize their data reporting with the worldwide scientific community.  As a result of these changes being applied uniformly across all persons tested by Relative Genetics, our previous conclusions regarding relationships between participants will remain unchanged.

    (4) On July 15, 2007, Relative Genetics, the testing laboratory for our DNA Project, sold its business to Ancestry.com.  As a result the International Lindsay Surname DNA Project was required to find a new laboratory that provided the same group of 43 markers that we had been using for six years.  The new laboratory selected is London-based DNA Heritage.  Testing has already started with the new laboratory and the transition of our previous database is being transferred to DNA Heritage.  One positive aspect of this move is the lowering of our DNA test cost from the previous $195.00 USD (for the 43 markers) to $189.00 USD.

    (5) The high-resolution 43 marker upgrades continue with a potential of 30 participants (total 35 with 5 deceased) who have not chosen to proceed with the upgrade.  The high-resolution 43 markers have proven their value in helping to sort out the Lindsay/Lindsey lineages found within the various DNA Groups.  The 43 marker upgrade will be available for a few more weeks at the bargain price of $37.50 USD for those participants previously tested for only 26 markers.  If you wish to upgrade, click on Ron Lindsay and send me an e-mail expressing your desire to upgrade and I will send you the needed information.

    Click on the Lindsay Surname Haplotype Database and use the DNA Group hyperlinks in the upper left corner of the Database web page to view the individual DNA Groups 1 thru 15.

    If you wish to join the International Lindsay Surname DNA Project and establish your own haplotype and thus your DNA relationship with the other Lindsays/Lindseys in this database, click here to  Sign up to be DNA tested !

    January 30, 2007 - Major Revision to International Lindsay Surname Haplotype Database - 8th Round of Testing Data is Posted

    The Lindsay Surname Haplotype Database, now composed of the combined 1st thru 8th Rounds of testing (131 participants) of the International Lindsay Surname DNA Project, was published today to the Lindsay International web site for peer review, analysis and comment by the global Lindsay (how ever spelled) community.

    This January 30, 2007 update to the content of the International Lindsay Surname Haplotype Database includes the following changes.

    (1) the addition of fifteen (15) new participants, L0117 thru L0131.

    With this 8th round of testing there were additions to the following DNA Groupings.

    DNA Group 1   = 3
    DNA Group 3   = 3
    DNA Group 7   = 4
    DNA Group 8   = 1
    DNA Group 10 = 1
    DNA Group 11 = 1
    DNA Group 13 = 1
    Unclassified    =  1

    Click on the Lindsay Surname Haplotype Database and use the DNA Group hyperlinks in the upper left corner of the Database web page to view the individual DNA Groups 1 thru 13.

    If you wish to establish your own haplotype and thus your DNA relationship with the other Lindsays/Lindseys in this database, click here to  Sign up to be DNA tested !

    August 18, 2006 - Major Revision to International Lindsay Surname Haplotype Database - 7th Round of Testing Data is Posted

    The Lindsay Surname Haplotype Database, now composed of the combined 1st thru 7th Rounds of testing (116 participants) of the International Lindsay Surname DNA Project, was published today to the Lindsay International web site for peer review, analysis and comment by the global Lindsay (how ever spelled) community.

    This August 18, 2006 update to the content of the International Lindsay Surname Haplotype Database includes the following changes.

    (1) the addition of eleven (11) new participants, L0093 & L0107 thru L0116.

    With this 7th round of testing there were additions to the following DNA Groups.

    DNA Group 1 = 4
    DNA Group 2 = 1
    DNA Group 4 = 1
    DNA Group 5 = 2
    DNA Group 9 = 1
    Unclassified   = 2

    The expanded 43 marker, high resolution testing is proving its value in providing the needed diversity to separate the various Lindsay lineages found around the world.  Hopefully all participants will soon choose to test for the 43 markers.

    If you wish to establish your own haplotype and thus your DNA relationship with the other Lindsays/Lindseys in this database, click here to  Sign up to be DNA tested !

    February 5, 2006 - Major Revision to International Lindsay Surname Haplotype Database - 6th Round of Testing Data is Posted

    The Lindsay Surname Haplotype Database, now composed of the combined 1st thru 6th Rounds of testing (106 participants) of the International Lindsay Surname DNA Project, was published today to the Lindsay International web site for peer review, analysis and comment by the global Lindsay (how ever spelled) community.

    This February 5, 2006 update to the content of the International Lindsay Surname Haplotype Database includes the following changes.

    (1) the addition of fifteen (15) new participants, L0092 thru L0106.

    (2) the creation of DNA Group 13.

    (3) changes to the spreadsheet format to include the expanded 43 Y-chromosome markers.  At this point in time, 33 out of the current 106 participants have been tested for the expanded 43 markers.  Hopefully more will sign up for the expanded markers and take advantage of the additional knowledge it provides in comparing our DNA profiles.

    (4) columns have been added to the spreadsheet to reflect both the "Inferred" and "SNP Tested" haplogroup classification for each individual participant.  Haplogroup testing defines our "deep ancestry" prior to the common use of surnames.  There will be more on the "deep ancestry" element of the Lindsay DNA Project at a later time.

    (5) the laboratory (Relative Genetics) that has performed all our DNA testing has revised their "records control system" and in many cases have assigned new "lab case numbers", in lieu of the old "lab control numbers".

    (6) In order to synchronize their data reporting with the scientific community, Relative Genetics laboratory has added +1 to the marker DYS461, for Lindsay DNA Project participants L0001 through L0074.

    (7) Previous marker DYS394 has officially become DYS19.

    (8) Previous marker Y-GATA-C4 has officially become DYS635.

    The International Lindsay Surname Haplotype Database spreadsheet is composed of the original 26 Y-chromosome STR markers (markers 1 thru 26)  The database also includes the additional 17 markers (markers 27 thru 43) as a result of the optional 43-marker upgrade test.  The order in which the 43 markers are listed in the spreadsheet will remain as seen since some of our project participants may not choose to have the 43 upgrade added to their profiles.

    Markers number 44 and 45 have been added to the chart in the rare instance when marker DYS464 has six allele values instead of the usual four allele values (see DNA Group 7).

    For the time being, I will continue to use the original 26 markers, for the purpose of comparing individual DNA profiles, for placement in one of the established DNA Groupings (1-13).  According to the current guidelines, a participant must match another participant with three or less, one-step, marker mismatches, in order to be declared as having the potential of sharing a common ancestor within the time frame whereby surnames had become common practice.  

    There is only one way to confirm your DNA relationship with the other Lindsays/Lindseys in this database.  Click here to  Sign up today to be DNA tested !

    June 18, 2005 - 100th Participant Registered

    On 18 June 2005, we reached a milestone in our efforts when the 100th participant registered for participation in the International Lindsay Surname DNA Project.

    April 25, 2005 - Major Revision to Lindsay Surname Haplotype Database - 5th Round of Testing Data is Posted

    The Lindsay Surname Haplotype Database, now composed of the combined 1st , 2nd , 3rd , 4th and 5th Rounds of testing (91 participants) of the Lindsay Surname DNA Project, was published today to the Lindsay International web site for peer review, analysis and comment by the global Lindsay (how ever spelled) community.

    The April 25, 2005 update to the content of the Lindsay Surname Haplotype Database included the following changes; (1) the addition of twenty-nine [29] new participants, #L0063 thru #L0091 (2) the merger of previous DNA Group 5 (participants L0003 & L0017) into the previously existing and now current re-defined DNA Group 4  (3) the addition of new DNA Groupings 5, 10, 11 & 12.

    Click on the  Lindsay Surname Haplotype Database  and view the composite data of the current 91 participants.  Use the DNA Group hyperlinks in the upper left corner of the Database web page to view the individual DNA Groups 1 thru 12.

    August 30, 2003 - Revised Lindsay Surname Haplotype Database Posted With 4th Round Data

    The Lindsay Surname Haplotype Database, composed of the combined 1st , 2nd , 3rd and 4th Rounds of testing (62 participants) of the Lindsay Surname DNA Project, was published today to the web site for peer review, analysis and comment by the global Lindsay (how ever spelled) community.

    The August 30, 2003 update to the content of the Lindsay Surname Haplotype Database included the following changes.  (1) the addition of twelve new participants, L0051 thru L0062  (2) the updating of marker #23 (YCA11b) from a value of 18 to 23 for participant #L0019 only.  This was a result of further laboratory refinement of the calibration for this marker.

    In addition, the individual data in the August 30, 2003 version of the Lindsay Surname Haplotype Database has been updated to reflect the revised methodology employed by the Relative Genetics laboratory in reporting their values for the DNA markers DYS454 and DYS455.  The values for these markers, for all participants, has been changed by adding +1 to each value which makes the values consistent and thus comparable to other laboratories performing the same marker evaluations.  This calibration effort by the laboratory is to make their measurement techniques comparable to other laboratories that are reporting the same markers. This revision does not alter any of the previous conclusions drawn from the Lindsay DNA testing.

    March 5, 2003 - Additional Conclusions From 3rd Round Results

    After further analysis of the 3rd Round data, an additional participant has been added to DNA Group 2 and an additional DNA Group 9 has been added, which includes the participant representing the Albemarle, NC Lindsey lineage.

    February 26, 2003 - Revised Lindsay Surname Haplotype Database Posted

    The Lindsay Surname Haplotype Database, composed of the participants from the combined 1st , 2nd and 3rd Rounds of testing (50 participants) of the Lindsay Surname DNA Project, was published today to the web site for peer review, analysis and comment by the global Lindsay (how ever spelled) community.

    February 14, 2003 - 3rd Round Results Mailed to Participants

    The individual DNA data for the 3rd Round of testing (sixteen participants L0035 thru L0050) for the Lindsay Surname DNA Project has been received from the laboratory and was mailed to participants on Friday February 14, 2003.  

    The Lindsay Surname DNA Project now has a total of 26 Y-chromosome markers that should provide us with a very definitive profile for the various Lindsay lineages.  After incorporating the 3rd Round of test data, the results continue to display additional matches between the various participants from the 1st and 2nd Rounds of testing.  The guidelines, for participants to assess their DNA profile in conjunction with the other 49 participants, are as follows. 

    q  For those participants who match 26 out of 26 markers, it does not get any better than this!  Based on the current genetic consensus, the Most Recent Common Ancestor (MRCA) for these participants, using a mutation rate of .002, occurred within the last 6.7 generations (median), with a range of 0.2 to 35.5 generations and 95% confidence.  Using 30 years per generation this computes to 201 years ago (year 1801) for the median 6.7 generations.  However keep in mind that with 26 out of 26 markers matching, statistically the most recent common ancestor could have occurred as soon as 0.2 generations (6 years) ago or as late as 35.5 generations (1065 years) in the past. 

    q  For those participants who match 25 out of 26 markers … Based on the current genetic consensus, the Most Recent Common Ancestor (MRCA) for these participants, using a mutation rate of .002, occurred within the last 16.5 generations (median), with a range of 2.4 to 54.7 generations and 95% confidence.  Using 30 years per generation this computes to 495 years ago (year 1507) for the median 16.5 generations. 

    q  For those participants who match 24 out of 26 markers, … based on the current genetic consensus, the Most Recent Common Ancestor (MRCA) for these participants, using a mutation rate of .002, occurred within the last 26.8 generations (median), with a range of 6.2 to 72.4 generations and 95% confidence.  Using 30 years per generation this computes to 804 years ago (year 1198) for the median 26.8 generations.  The year 1198 is well before surnames were in common usage. 

    q  Those participants, with three or more marker mismatches, are considered to have shared a most recent common ancestor (MRCA) so long ago it is not a factor in trying to establish a current MRCA relationship with another Lindsay lineage. 

    Based on this type of assessment, the current 50 Lindsay DNA Project participants will be grouped, where possible, into one of the eight categories (DNA Group 1, DNA Group 2, etc.) whereby there are two or more people who have no more than three marker mismatches.  These grouping will be posted on the Lindsay International web site within one week from today's notification to participants as an update to the Lindsay Surname Haplotype Database. 

    We are now a database of 50 with several more participants already registered for the 4th Round of Testing.  To really be meaningful, those participants in the database who have not been grouped due to having more than three mismatches with the other participants will have to wait until the Lindsay Surname Haplotype Database grows with the addition of more Lindsay males from which hopefully we will find other Lindsay (how ever spelled) lineages that provides fewer mismatches for their haplotype, yielding a potential common ancestor in the nearer term.

    As previous stated, the Lindsay DNA haplotype database will continue to grow.  It will benefit us all to continue to work as a group to get as many Lindsay (how ever spelled) lineages tested as possible.  Hopefully at some point we will be able to easily match any Lindsay (how ever spelled) male who is tested with other well documented Lindsay lineages.

    Therefore, in order to register for the 4th Round of testing, all potential Lindsay (how ever spelled) participants are encouraged to go to the web site Registration Form found at  http://www.clanlindsay.com/sign_up_form.htm  and sign up to participate in this historic Lindsay (how ever spelled) genetic genealogy project.

    December 9, 2002 - 3rd Round DNA Samples Delivered to GeneTree

    All sixteen of the registrants for the 3rd round of testing returned their DNA samples to the Project Coordinator.  The sixteen samples (9 Lindsays, 5 Lindseys & 2 Linzeys) were submitted to GeneTree as a group on December 9, 2002. We expect to get the results back in 6 to 8 weeks.

    Registration for the 4th Round of testing will get underway soon!

    November 5, 2002 - 3rd Round DNA Sample Collection Underway

    Registration for the 3rd round of testing for the Lindsay Surname DNA Project closed on November 1, 2002 and DNA sample kits were mailed to sixteen additional participants on Monday November 4, 2002.  The third round participants (9 Lindsays, 5 Lindseys & 2 Linzeys) are from Canada, England and the United States.  Assuming all sixteen registrants return their DNA samples to the Project Coordinator, our database will increase to a total of 50 participants when the 3rd round group is added to the Lindsay Surname Haplotype Database.

    October 14, 2002 - Status Report - Important Revisions to the Lindsay Data

    In this communication, you are provided with some new information and updates regarding previous Lindsay DNA test data.

    1. Explanation of the laboratory’s conversion of the alpha values to numeric values for the Loci/markers DYS385a and DYS385b.

    It was stated at the beginning that all the alpha values initially used with four of our markers would eventually be converted to numeric values.  GeneTree/Relative Genetics has completed the laboratory certification/registration process for the two markers DYS385a and DYS385b and have officially released the numeric values or repeats for the corresponding alpha codes.  This has been reflected in the new values found in the composite spreadsheet.  Keep in mind that this alpha to numeric conversion does not change any previous match/mismatch relationship with any other participant. 

    The other two markers, YCAIIa and YCAIIb, must still undergo further certification/registration before they are ready to publish the decoded repeat values. 

    2.  Explanation of the changes made in the alpha values initially provided by the laboratory for marker YCAII-b.

    It has been determined by the Relative Genetics laboratory that the initial data provided at marker YCAII-b, effecting eleven participants (L0002, L0003, L0008, L0009, L0010, L0012, L0013, L0015, L0016, L0017 & L0018) requires modification. 

    The reason for the new allele value for the YCAIIb locus was that when the data was captured from the analyzer for the YCAII loci, the run length was truncated for a random group of the participants (due to an Excel Macro that was corrupted).  Therefore, they were reported as one band, D (a homozygous genotype D,D), rather than reading the double bands D & F, D & H, etc (or heterozygous genotype).  A new, corrected, Excel macro was used to interpret the data in the laboratory’s quality review, and this is why the data is different.  The laboratory did not realize that our results were affected by this problem in data interpretation until after a quality review of our data.  The laboratory has apologized for this error.  

    3.  Provision for DNA Groupings of Lindsay Participants Data.

    The current 34 Lindsay DNA Project participants has been divided into categories (DNA Group 1, DNA Group 2, etc.) where appropriateThese DNA Groups will contain all the participants who have matches which indicate they have a “near term” Most Recent Common Ancestor (MRCA).  Each DNA Group will be composed of two or more people who have no more than three marker mismatches. 

    We are now a database of 34 with 4 more participants currently registered for the 3rd  Round of Testing.  To really be meaningful, those participants in the database who have not been grouped due to having more than three mismatches with the other participants will have to wait until the Lindsay Surname Haplotype Database grows with the addition of more Lindsay males from which hopefully we will find other Lindsay (how ever spelled) lineages that provides fewer mismatches for their haplotype, yielding a potential common ancestor in the nearer term. 

    October 14, 2002 - Status Report - Revised Lindsay Surname Haplotype Database Posted

    The Lindsay Surname Haplotype Database, composed of the combined 1st and 2nd Rounds of testing (34 participants) of the Lindsay Surname DNA Project, was published today.

    October 7, 2002 - Status Report - 2nd Round Results Are In The Mail

    The individual results of the 2nd round of testing (thirteen participants L0022 thru L0034) was distributed to those individuals on Monday October 7th.  The composite, color-coded spreadsheet summary of all 34 participants from the combined 1st and 2nd Rounds of testing of the Lindsay Surname DNA Project will be posted soon at the Lindsay Surname Haplotype Database.

    October 1, 2002 - Status Report - DNA Marker Changes

    It has now been determined by the genetic laboratories that loci DYS439 and Y-GATA-A4  are measuring the identical segment of the Y-chromosome and thus are redundant when used together.  Beginning with the 2nd round of Lindsay testing, the locus Y-GATA-A4 will be eliminated as one of the markers for the Lindsay Surname DNA Project.  Initially the 2nd round group of thirteen participants will be reported with only 23 markers instead of the usual 24 markers.  Sometime after October 15, 2002, our current group of 34 participants will be updated with the addition of three new markers.  These new markers are DYS447, DYS454 and DYS455.  This will give the Lindsay Surname DNA Project a total of 26 markers which should provide us with adequate definition of the various Lindsay lineages.  To view the 26 markers currently used by the Lindsay Surname DNA Project, go to  http://www.clanlindsay.com/markers_used_by_lindsay_dna_project.htm .  All new participants, beginning with the 3rd round group, will be tested for the 26 markers.

    August 16, 2002 - Status Report - 2nd Round DNA Samples Delivered to GeneTree

    Only thirteen of the fifteen registrants for the 2nd round of testing returned their DNA samples to the Project Coordinator.  The thirteen samples were submitted to GeneTree as a group on August 16, 2002. We expect to get the results back in 4 to 5 weeks.

    Registration for the 3rd Round of testing is still underway with two additional participants (one Lindsay and one Linzey) thus far.

    June 29, 2002 - Status Report - Registration For 3rd Round of Testing Under Way

    The Lindsay Surname DNA Project will start immediately to accept registration for the third round of testing for new participants.  If you wish to participate in the third round of testing for the Lindsay Surname DNA Project go to http://www.clanlindsay.com/sign_up_form.htm  and submit the on-line Registration Form, followed by a summary of your Lindsay (how ever spelled) paternal lineage.

    In order to maximize the benefit from our DNA testing, it is essential that we receive a broad range of Lindsay (how ever spelled) participation representing as many Lindsay lineages as possible.

    Pricing will remain the same as was paid by the participants of the first & second round of testing.  Registration will continue for the third round until we get an additional 15-20 Lindsay participants.

    After reviewing the information provided at the Lindsay International web site  http://www.clanlindsay.com/dna_project.htm , if potential participants have additional questions they can contact the Project Coordinator, Ron Lindsay via e-mail

    June 29, 2002 - Status Report - 2nd Round DNA Sample Collection Under Way

    Registration for the 2nd round of testing for the Lindsay Surname DNA Project closed on June 21st and DNA sample kits were mailed to fifteen additional participants on Saturday June 29, 2002.  The second round participants (6 Lindsays & 9 Lindseys) are from New Zealand and the United States.  Assuming all fifteen registrants return their DNA samples to the Project Coordinator, our database will increase to a total of 36 participants when the 2nd round group is added to the Lindsay Surname Haplotype Database.

    June 11, 2002 - Status Report - Lindsay DNA Database Published

    The first version of the Lindsay DNA database, representing the first 21 participants in the Lindsay Surname DNA Project, has been published at this web site.  The Lindsay Surname Haplotype Database and the Lindsay Haplotype Conclusions  are the two pages you want to see.

    June 2, 2002 - Status Report - Deadline for Registration - 2nd Round Testing Lindsay Surname DNA Project

    With the 1st Round Test results en route to the participants, it is time to move to the next phase of the Lindsay Surname DNA Project.

    As a result of this 1st Round milestone, the Lindsay Surname DNA Project has reached the point where we are ready to establish a Registration cutoff date for the 2nd Round of testing. This is required in order to properly carry out the necessary administrative activities associated with the DNA sampling. Thus Registration for the 2nd Round of Testing for the Lindsay Surname DNA Project will close on June 21, 2002.

    Anyone submitting a Registration Form after that date will be included in the 3rd Round of testing. The probability of a 3rd Round of testing will depend solely upon the level of interest which translates into finding a group of ten or more Lindsay (how ever spelled) males to justify the effort.

    If you, as a male bearing the Lindsay (how ever spelled) surname at birth, plan to participate in the 2nd Round of testing with the Lindsay Surname DNA Project, please go to http://www.clanlindsay.com/sign_up_form.htm  and submit the Registration Form as soon as possible, following shortly with your paternal Lindsay (how ever spelled) genealogical information.

    It is anticipated that the "Lindsay Surname Haplotype Database" will continue to grow (currently 21, with 10 additional participants currently registered for the 2nd Round). Hopefully at some point we will be able to easily match any Lindsay (how ever spelled) male, who is tested, with other well documented Lindsay lineages that already exist in the Lindsay Surname Haplotype Database.

    May 31, 2002 - Status Report - 1st Round Results Are In The Mail

    The results, of the 1st Round of Testing for the Lindsay Surname DNA Project, were mailed to all participants on Friday May 31st.

    The test data was received from the laboratory (GeneTree) on Friday May 24, 2002 just prior to my departure for the Memorial holiday weekend.  Upon my return Tuesday,  I started the preliminary analysis based on the data provided.  GeneTree took at bit longer than expected to process our results but the revelation of information made it worthwhile.  Some will be delighted, some disappointed and others of us will have to wait for the database to grow to see concrete results that will enable us to move our genealogies forward.

    In the mailing, each participant will receive a certificate of their personal DNA "fingerprint". Also enclosed is a letter with a preliminary analysis along with a color-coded summary table of the composite data representing the 21 participants. This data summary table has been organized into four “major haplogroups” based on the range of data recorded for the 21 participants.

     The composite results for the 1st Round of Testing will be posted at the Lindsay International web site the week of June 10th for viewing by the global Lindsay (how ever spelled) community.

    May 9, 2002 - Status Report - Results Expected Soon

    In dialog with GeneTree on May 8th, it appears that all the DNA results for our 1st round of testing will be in the hands of the Project Coordinator by May 17th.  As soon as the data is available, the Project Coordinator will mail the individual certified results, with a preliminary analysis, to each of the 21 first round participants.  Within ten days following the mailings, the composite results will be posted on this web site.

    As of May 9th, registration results for the 2nd Round of testing includes nine additional participants (three Lindsay and six Lindsey) representing the United States and New Zealand.

    April 2, 2002 - Status Report - DNA Samples Submitted To GeneTree

    The last, of the twenty one 1st Round DNA samples, was received by the Project Coordinator on Saturday March 30, 2002.  These samples were submitted to GeneTree as a group on April 1, 2002.  We expect to get our initial results back in 3 to 4 weeks.

    Registration for the 2nd Round of testing is still underway with six additional participants (five Lindseys and one Lindsay) thus far.

    March 5, 2002 - Status Report - Registration For 2nd Round of Testing Under Way

    Due to the stated interest by additional candidates, the Lindsay Surname DNA Project will start immediately to accept registration for the second round of testing for new participants.  If you wish to participate in the second round of testing for the Lindsay Surname DNA Project go to http://www.clanlindsay.com/sign_up_form.htm  and submit the on-line Sign Up Form, followed by a summary of your Lindsay (how ever spelled) paternal lineage.  

    Pricing will remain the same as was paid by the participants of the first round of testing.  Registration will continue for the second round until we get an additional 15-20 new participants.

    After reviewing the information provided at the Lindsay International web site  http://www.clanlindsay.com/dna_project.htm , if potential participants have additional questions they can contact the Project Coordinator, Ron Lindsay via e-mail

    March 4, 2002 - Status Report - 1st Round DNA Sample Collection Under Way

    The DNA collection process has begun for the first round of testing.  DNA sample kits were mailed today to all participants of the Lindsay Surname DNA Project.  There are twenty one (21) participants in this first round of testing.  From the various spellings of the surname, the Project is currently composed of 1- Lindesay, 12- Lindsay, 6-Lindsey and 2-Linzee.

    February 6, 2002 - Status Report - Consent & Liability Release Form

    The "Consent & Liability Release Form" has been added to the web site.  It can be viewed at  http://www.clanlindsay.com/dna_project_consent_&_release_form.htm .   A copy of this form will be postal mailed to each participant along with the DNA Sampling Kit.

    February 4, 2002 - Status Report - Laboratory Change

    Due to some recent significant changes in the DNA testing service provider industry, the Lindsay Surname DNA Project has found it necessary to make a change in the previously announced laboratory selected to provide its DNA testing.  The reasons for this change are as follows. 

    (1) The industry now offers twenty four (24) published Y-Chromosome markers as a standard offering.  No proprietary markers are included in the new 24 marker offering.  This is the highest number of Y-Chromosome markers (published and/or proprietary) currently offered by any test laboratory. 

    (2) Test results from each of these markers will be reported with no offsets in the repeat values.  Only actual repeat values will be reported.   This feature readily permits individual comparisons of results from other test laboratories around the world. 

    (3) The cost per marker pricing has been significantly improved.   The actual pricing for the Lindsay Project can only be provided to participants of the Lindsay DNA Project. 

    As a result of the new developments above and solely for the additional benefits offered to participants, the Lindsay Surname DNA Project will utilize the services of the GeneTree DNA Testing Center/Relative Genetics (http://www.genetree.com) located in San Jose, California as our DNA testing laboratory.  As many of you are aware GeneTree is a recent acquisition by Relative Genetics of Salt Lake City, Utah which itself is a division of Sorenson Development, Inc. also based in Salt Lake City.  The principal academic advisor used by this laboratory is Dr. Scott R. Woodward, Professor of Microbiology and faculty member of the Molecular Biology Program at Brigham Young University. 

    Also as a result of the change in service providers, the Lindsay Surname DNA Project will no longer perform our testing in two phases (12 markers followed by 9 markers for those who qualified).  The current plan is now to test all participants with the full 24-marker test. 

    The cutoff date of February 22, 2002, for participation in the Lindsay Surname DNA Project is still in effect. 

    If you are interested in participating in the Lindsay Surname DNA Project, go to the web site at  http://www.clanlindsay.com/sign_up_form.htm  and complete the interactive Sign-Up Form found there. 

    If a potential participant still has additional questions that are not answered in this status report or at the Lindsay International web site, please contact the Project Coordinator via e-mail

    January 27, 2002 - Status Report - Registration Cutoff For 1st Round Testing

    The Lindsay Surname DNA Project has reached the stage where we must establish a cutoff date for participation in the Project. This is required in order to properly carry out the necessary administrative activities associated with the Project.

    The cutoff date for initiation of the Sign-Up Form and submitting the required three generations of Lindsay (how ever spelled) lineage is Friday, February 22, 2002.

    Anyone submitting a Sign-Up Form after that date will be included in the next round of testing. At this time it has not been determined if there will be a second round of testing. It will depend solely upon the level of interest and a large enough group to justify the effort.

    If you plan to participate in the Lindsay Surname DNA Project, please go to  http://www.clanlindsay.com/sign_up_form.htm  and submit the Sign-Up Form as soon as possible, followed shortly with your genealogical information.

    If a potential participant has additional questions that are not answered in this status report or at the Lindsay International web site, please contact the Project Coordinator via e-mail

    December 11, 2001 - Status Report

    The Lindsay Surname DNA Project has selected Family Tree DNA of Houston, Texas as the Laboratory of choice to provide Lindsay participants with their Y-Chromosome DNA testing.

    In order to minimize the costs to participants, the Lindsay Surname DNA Project testing will be accomplished in two phases.

    Phase I Testing

    Phase I of the testing will include the current twelve (12) Y-Chromosome markers used by Family Tree DNA performed in conjunction with the University of Arizona under the direction of Dr. Michael Hammer. This initial phase of the testing will determine who among the participants are most likely to have a common ancestor.

    In the event two or more Lindsay participants, in Phase I testing, have twelve (12) out of twelve (12) Y-Chromosome markers matching, Dr. Bruce Walsh, in his research at the University of Arizona, has determined that there is a 50% probability that a Common Ancestor occurred at 14.5 generations (363 years @ 25 years per generation) or less. For the same 12 matches, there is a 95% probability the Common Ancestor occurred at 62 generations or less.

    Each participant in Phase I testing will be privately notified by the Project Coordinator of his individual Phase I results.

    After the results of the Phase I Lindsay testing have been consolidated, participants in the Phase I testing will be grouped according to marker matches.  Two or more participants with ten or more of the twelve markers matching will constitute a group. All participants in each of these groups will qualify for advancing to the Phase II testing.

    It is important to note that if a Phase I participant does not have one or more, of the other Phase I participants, who match 10 or more of their marker values, he will not qualify to proceed to the Phase II testing.

    The actual pricing (US Dollars$) of the Phase I testing, negotiated with Bennett Greenspan of Family Tree DNA, will be provided by the Lindsay Surname DNA Project Coordinator only to participants in the Lindsay Surname DNA Project.  After a participant has initiated the Lindsay Surname DNA Project Sign Up Form, the Project Coordinator will provide them with the pricing information via e-mail.

    The current plan is to start mailing DNA sample collection kits to Phase I participants in mid-February 2002.  Thus it is important for all interested Lindsay males, to initiate the Project Sign-Up Form at  http://www.clanlindsay.com/sign_up_form.htm   as soon as possible.  Using the on-line interactive form provided, type in the information requested and click on the Submit key at the end of the form.  The information will be automatically forwarded to the Lindsay Surname DNA Project Coordinator, who will acknowledge receipt of your sign up information and advise you of the pricing agreement.  Payment (US Dollars$) for the DNA testing will not be required until the participant returns his DNA sample sometime in February 2002.

    At this point, all potential participants should be aware that the DNA collection process requires only to brush the inside cheek of one's mouth with a cotton Q-Tip type device.

    Phase II Testing

    Phase II testing will include Family Tree DNA's recently announced nine (9) new Y-Chromosome markers, 13 through 21, and will be in essence a refinement of the DNA results for those who were found to be likely related in Phase I testing. This additional Phase II testing will use the same previous DNA sample collected from participants for Phase I testing and thus will not require collection of new samples.

    In the event two or more Lindsay participants have twenty one (21) out of twenty one (21) Y-Chromosome markers matching, Dr. Bruce Walsh, in his research at the University of Arizona, has determined that there is a 50% probability that a Common Ancestor occurred at 8.3 generations (208 years @ 25 years per generation) or less. For the same 21 matches, there is a 95% probability the Common Ancestor occurred at 36 generations or less.

    If the Phase I test results grouping proves that a participant qualifies for Phase II testing, the Phase II testing will automatically commence without any further contact with the participant.  Each participant in Phase II testing will be privately notified by the Project Coordinator of his individual results for the nine additional markers.

    The Lindsay Surname DNA Project has provided that there will not be any additional costs, to qualifying Phase I participants, for their participation in the Phase II testing. In other words, a qualifying Phase II participant will receive the benefit of 21 Y-Chromosome markers testing for the price of the initial 12 Y-Chromosome markers test.

    If a potential participant has additional questions that are not answered in this status report or at the Lindsay International web site, please contact the Project Coordinator via e-mail

    June 14, 2001 - Status Report

    After eight months of study and two months of web site development, the Lindsay International web site was initially published to the Internet, on this date.  The new URL for the site is  www.clanlindsay.com. The stated primary purpose of this web site is to promote the Lindsay Surname DNA Project.

    Efforts are now underway to achieve a representative international participation in this project and to select a commercial laboratory to perform the testing.

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    * It has been established that the use of the Lindsay surname, throughout this web site, implies all the accepted different spellings of the surname found in the site Orthography section.  

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